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by gilster on Thu May 08, 2008 7:35 am
It's Time for Truth in Ohio. Opponents of Ohio Bans Weigh In.
By Opponents of Ohio Bans

COLUMBUS, Ohio, May 7 --
Shelly Kiser, advocate for the American Lung Association, stated she doesn't think the smoking ban has lowered liquor sales and that there may be an orchestrated campaign to allege receipts are off 30%. She further stated "hundreds and hundreds of studies" show there's no harm to liquor sales or the economy from smoking bans. It has become clear that smoking bans do harm Ohio business. When state government acknowledges that truth, anti-smoking advocates predictably cry "liar."

The smoking ban in Ohio is hurting businesses.

-- In 2006, Ohio Department of Job and Family Services projected a 10,000 job gain for the hospitality and leisure industry for 2007. The first 12 months of the smoking ban saw 5,400 lost jobs for that industry.

-- Data obtained from Ohio Division of Liquor Control: both wholesale and retail (home consumption) sales from 2003 - 2006 had a steady growth in number of bottles sold. However 2007 presented a different picture, wholesale sales declined sharply. Factoring in the growth the industry had been experiencing, permit holders lost a potential of $67,441,632 in sales in 2007. Before these numbers are blamed on a bad economy, consider that retail had a whopping increase of 1,384,148 bottles sold from 2006-2007. People who smoke resent businesses that do not allow smoking and many stay at home.

-- The above losses imply that there has been a $4,264,446 decline in sales and use tax from bars and restaurants.

-- One large beer distributor reports a 5% loss in sales.

-- The coin machine industry, including juke boxes and pool tables, is down 20 to 30 percent in liquor pouring establishments.

-- The trickle down effect includes the loss of income to musicians, karaoke vendors, snack vendors, and costs to the State of Ohio for enforcement of the ban.

"Ohio is not unique. Bar owners and clubs across the U.S. are crying foul. Pubs in Germany, Ireland, the UK are closing. Hospitality business owners in Germany are angry because they were told their pubs had nothing to fear from the smoking ban and how commercially successful bans have been in Ireland, the UK and the USA, where bars were allegedly teeming with 'new' customers," said Debi Kistner, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

"If hundreds and hundreds of studies show there's no harm to businesses, why would business owners complain? Why would they fight the smoking ban? Why would they want smoking if their businesses were doing so well without smoking?" Kistner asked.

"Voters were misled when they voted for Issue 5. They voted for a ban they were told would not harm businesses. Therefore, Issue 5 should be declared invalid and overturned. Put up a sign warning of the presence of tobacco smoke, and allow businesses to reap the benefits of a true economic stimulus package," said Pam Parker, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

Related Web site: www.opponentsofohiobans.com

SOURCE Opponents of Ohio Bans
Pam Parker, +1-614-565-6560, Debi Kistner, +1-614-668-8485, both of Opponents of Ohio Bans, truth@opponentsofohiobans.com,


http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/543578.html
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by dumpstermcnuggets on Fri May 09, 2008 3:41 am
gilster wrote:
-- In 2006, Ohio Department of Job and Family Services projected a 10,000 job gain for the hospitality and leisure industry for 2007. The first 12 months of the smoking ban saw 5,400 lost jobs for that industry.

-- Data obtained from Ohio Division of Liquor Control: both wholesale and retail (home consumption) sales from 2003 - 2006 had a steady growth in number of bottles sold. However 2007 presented a different picture, wholesale sales declined sharply. Factoring in the growth the industry had been experiencing, permit holders lost a potential of $67,441,632 in sales in 2007. Before these numbers are blamed on a bad economy, consider that retail had a whopping increase of 1,384,148 bottles sold from 2006-2007. People who smoke resent businesses that do not allow smoking and many stay at home.

-- The above losses imply that there has been a $4,264,446 decline in sales and use tax from bars and restaurants.

-- One large beer distributor reports a 5% loss in sales.

-- The coin machine industry, including juke boxes and pool tables, is down 20 to 30 percent in liquor pouring establishments.

-- The trickle down effect includes the loss of income to musicians, karaoke vendors, snack vendors, and costs to the State of Ohio for enforcement of the ban.

"Ohio is not unique. Bar owners and clubs across the U.S. are crying foul. Pubs in Germany, Ireland, the UK are closing. Hospitality business owners in Germany are angry because they were told their pubs had nothing to fear from the smoking ban and how commercially successful bans have been in Ireland, the UK and the USA, where bars were allegedly teeming with 'new' customers," said Debi Kistner, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

"If hundreds and hundreds of studies show there's no harm to businesses, why would business owners complain? Why would they fight the smoking ban? Why would they want smoking if their businesses were doing so well without smoking?" Kistner asked.

"Voters were misled when they voted for Issue 5. They voted for a ban they were told would not harm businesses. Therefore, Issue 5 should be declared invalid and overturned. Put up a sign warning of the presence of tobacco smoke, and allow businesses to reap the benefits of a true economic stimulus package," said Pam Parker, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

Related Web site: www.opponentsofohiobans.com

SOURCE Opponents of Ohio Bans
Pam Parker, +1-614-565-6560, Debi Kistner, +1-614-668-8485, both of Opponents of Ohio Bans, truth@opponentsofohiobans.com,


http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/543578.html


Well yeah, of course effects like this always occur when local and/or state governments impose smoking bans against the will of smoking patrons, libertarian-minded non-smokers, and business owners. I totally agree with this group that businesses should be allowed to permit smoking, if they post exterior signage stating their smoking policy. Such policies have already been successful in New Haven, Indiana(near Fort Wayne), Lake St. Louis(suburb of St. Louis), and suburban St. Louis County.

Thanks for posting this info btw, gilster. I greatly appreciated seeing this data on how much Ohio's ban has hurt business owners in that state.
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by patdaly on Mon May 12, 2008 9:23 pm
Wait, I thought "trickle down" economics was a hoax?

In any instance, I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs, we are seeing the same here in Illinois, with the exception of the bars that are just ignoring the ban.

On has a jar dedicated to smoking fines. If you want to smoke,throw a buck in for the night, and smoke to your hearts content, they will use the kitty to pay fines.
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by Kreinhe on Wed May 14, 2008 10:34 am
The antis will quickly point out that we are in an economic downturn which would account for the losses, howevet, I seem to remember leaning in college as a business major that alcohol sales increase during economic downturns. There is an inverse relationship. I wish I could source this for you but i'm sure with some digging someone could find a good source for this relationship. Under this inverse relationship, the effect is even worse since they not only have the decrease in revenues but also the increase in revenues that should have occured, didnt. Therefore, the losses are even greater.
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by gilster on Wed May 14, 2008 2:34 pm
Kreinhe, that was interesting so I looked around.

There's a bit of research out there saying economic downturn reduces consumption but there's also research that says it raises consumption.

Here's one that looks at the research:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/78002440/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
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