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by runamok
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:44 pm |
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Jay wrote: The Swiss sells cigs online (or DID sell cigs online)? Why would I buy from a shop like that? They sound like the type of shop that will report orders. Any site withthe "Swiss" word in it is suspicious.
Ands unfortunately for you, that Swiss shop sounds like they had few customers if they voluntarily quit sellin. More customers would've meant more business for the Swiss.
Sales to the states got shut down by....well....a number of agencies but Philip Morris was in the thick of it too. They're still in business...just can't ship here anymore. Same sort of thing happened to Cigmall.biz though it seems they just set up shop as Cigoutlet.biz
Since they are offshore, the Jenkins act, etc. doesn't apply to them. The Feds can't just march into foreign countries and claim that our laws apply there also. (lord knows they try sometimes!) That's why there was such a concerted effort to stop shipments to the U.S.
The Yesmoke thing is the reason I found Smokinglobby in the first place. The rest is history. |
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by STDog
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:27 pm |
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runamok wrote: Since they are offshore, the Jenkins act, etc. doesn't apply to them. The Feds can't just march into foreign countries and claim that our laws apply there also. (lord knows they try sometimes!) That's why there was such a concerted effort to stop shipments to the U.S.
True, Jenkis doesn't apply to non U.S. businesses. There are other laws that govern the import of products, better known as tariffs. (No I don't know them)
The US tariffs are generally much more relaxed than those in other countries based on discussions with people in Canada, Australia, Denmark, and the U.K. (though those discussions involved auto-parts for classic American autos).
But, the feds do control import and export, and can block any shipment they want. In fact, regulation international trade is one of the few Constitutional powers the Feds have (most of what they do today isn't Constitutional as the writers/ratifiers understood it). |
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by STDog
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:44 pm |
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Jay wrote: IMYOs are not for every smoker, with all due respect. And I don't mean with the taste...I like the taste of that real tobacco. I don't like taking almost an hour to make a pack.
But I found a brand that tastes similar to MYO tobacco.....and the cigs are already made. MYO is time-consuming on making the cigs. And this brand is a Native brand, that means the brand isn't available offline.
I agree, MYO isn't for everyone. If you have found a manufactured cigarette on the market that you like, stick with it. I would only suggest you (or anyone else) try a few different tobaccos and papers/tubes first, remembering that just like different brand of cigarettes are different, so to the different components in the MYO world make for a very different result. If you've tried a few different tobaccos then stick with what you like.
Not sure why you think time is a big issue though. Unless you smoke 3-4 packs a day.
With a bit of practice you can fill 20 tubes (a pack) in 15-20 minutes.(my wife can, surely anyone can  )
Since I hand roll (no tubes or rolling machines for me). At first it took about 2 minute. After a few weeks it was more like 1 minute. And I usually roll one when I want one, not in advance.
Back on topic, just remember
1) you are legally obligated to report tobacco purchases from out of state and pay the taxes
2) manufactured cigarettes are treated differently, such that seller have to report the sales too.
That's not to say you won't/can't find people/sellers that ignore the law, just know that the law is there. If at some future point the state can show you didn't pay the taxes due, you will get a bill, and possibly go to jail if you don't pay the bill. |
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by Jay
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:13 pm |
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You can lose your assets, or get a lieu, or have your bank accounts cleaned out/have paychecks stolen from you if you don't pay those bills, not jail (at least in IL). Of the IL smokers who I know of that received these so-called threats, none of the bill notices included a jail threat.
A jail threat is hilarious, when I take into account who REALLY belongs in jail. And that's drug dealers (for example) and fugitives on TV. Not people who buy a legal product.
EDIT: While I heard of some smokers getting recent threats from the state, those "threats" are based on cig purchases from 3-6 years ago. |
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by STDog
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:29 pm |
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Jay wrote: You can lose your assets, or get a lieu, or have your bank accounts cleaned out/have paychecks stolen from you if you don't pay those bills, not jail (at least in IL). Of the IL smokers who I know of that received these so-called threats, none of the bill notices included a jail threat.
Just going on past history with tax evaders. That's what it'd be considered.
I said before i don't know the IL law well enough to talk about the punishment, or that the class 3 or 4 felony I mention before. Do those carry a jail sentence? I don't know.
I do know the Feds will put you in jail for tax evasion under some circumstances. Each state has it's on law concerning state taxes.
I wouldn't take chances. Easier to pay-up before the bill get to big to cover. |
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by Jay
on Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:38 pm |
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When I hear the source of this news and post it in a different subforum, I'll wonder if you'll "take the chance" with buying tobacco period if the FDA regulates it. I heard on anotha forum that people in the House voted 18 to 9 in favor of FDA regulation for tobacco.
I'm sure that applies to premade brands made by the Big Tobacco companies (on FDA regulation of tobacco). But I always wondered if tobacco DOES get regulated, I wonder if that means if I make a cig myself, did I just basically make a tobacco version of a joint? (that being an "illegal" roll of non-regulated tobacco) Or what would that make cig brands that are made by Natives? illegal cigs since they don't meet FDA regulations?
I don't mean to scare anyone. But if I find the source of the FDA news, I'll post the URL. |
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by STDog
on Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:54 am |
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[quote="Jay"]I'll wonder if you'll "take the chance" with buying tobacco period if the FDA regulates it.[quote]
Depends on what the regulation ends up being.
Quote: I heard on anotha forum that people in the House voted 18 to 9 in favor of FDA regulation for tobacco.
18-9  sounds like a committee. I don't think any states have legislatures that small.
Quote: But if I find the source of the FDA news, I'll post the URL.
Please do.
I ignored this sort of stuff for far to long. Now they've banned smoking in all "public" building here. Hot even an exception for bars (not that I got to them anymore). So I don't eat out much at the local places anymore. 3 restaurants I used to go to (about once a month each) have closed.
I though I was in a safe place. Guess not. Oh, and they has a fast food ban in the state house recently.
Got to keep tabs on the dictators now.  |
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by patdaly
on Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:50 pm |
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STDog wrote:
I believe that's the same as the sales/use tax. The state taxes (and probably local too) are legally required on loose tobacco and cigars.
Currently there is no tax other than the Fed Class J of .37C/ Lb and of course the straight Illinois sales tax. I go to my local tobacco store and buy it all nice and legal. At some point the bozos are going to get smart and levy either a per pound state tax on tobacco, at which point I will be growing my own or a tax on the tubes, which some states have enacted, and I have a standing order in for 1000 cases with my local store if he hears of such a thing.
This is one fight I am in until the bloody end.......... |
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by patdaly
on Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:57 pm |
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Jay, another thing, if MYO is not for you, thats cool, but it really takes no time to speak of. I easily do 250-275 ciggies an hour without trying, and that includes the time to blend my tobacco in the mix that I like.
I also must say, even if it were slow, I would still do so because of the much reduced stink, and also the reduction in the amount I smoke, not to mention that my lungs feel much better than when I am forced into smoking a pre-made.
I still say they put something in those stupid thngs to make you want to smoke more...... because I can clearly show where I smoke far less when I make my own. |
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by Jay
on Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:30 pm |
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I agree premades have sheet in them that makes you not only smoke more. But that sheet keeps you hooked onto that particular brand.
I actually smoke less than a pack/day with the Native cig brand I smoke. I probably said before they taste similar to MYO menthols I made a few times in the past.
When I used to smoke Newports, I was smoking 30 cigs AT LEAST per day back then. Or I should say "30 rolls filled up with trash per day." |
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