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by Guest
on Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:45 am |
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| Can anyone give me some Pro Smoking in bars arguments, I'm doing a tv interview for the 'For' side, cheers |
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by BWilliams
on Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:19 am |
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First of all, most bar-goers smoke. You don't have to be a researcher to walk into a bar, look around, and notice that 80% of the patrons are smoking. As a result, in cities where smoking has been banned in bars we've seen massive decreases in sales. Most bar and restaurant owners in NYC have formed lobbies together to protest the smoking ban due to lost revenue. Many bartenders and waitresses, even those who don't smoke, are asking for a ban repeal because they are losing income due to decreased patronage.
And finally, the number one reason to allow smoking in bars, this is a free country. And we don't like the gov't telling us what to do and censoring our actions. |
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by LibbyLiberty
on Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:40 am |
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Here's a few more talking points for you:
Alcohol is just as (if not far more) dangerous as cigs. It gives you cancer, causes accidents, leads to date-rape (or just rape in general), and some people can die after one night of drinking (I dare anyone to show me how THAT can happen with second-hand smoke). I used to live with an alcoholic who was extremely violent. After a night of drinking, he parked his car in the front lawn and chased us around the house with a knife, I don't know anyone who does that after smoking a cig.
Not that I'm against drinking, I just think it is strange how they can ban one "drug" that has far less consequences than another "drug" that has been proven to be the cause of so many casualties and torn lives. I just think things are a little backwards.
It is plain and simple discrimination. With the risk SO LOW of developing any medical issues with second-hand smoke, there simply is NO ARGUMENT.
My favorite is: anyone who agrees with bans should close themselves in their garage for an hour with 20 chain smokers, then shut themselves in their grage for an hour with the engine running of JUST ONE CAR.
Smoking and drinking go hand in hand. The people who work in those establishments aren't necessarily looking out for their best health anyways, plus they have the CHOICE to not work there. Us smokers DO NOT have the choice.
I guess that just makes us smoke in our homes more. Which leads to cheaper beer for us, lost business for bars, and a higher risk to the children living in the home. |
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by BWilliams
on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:39 pm |
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Quote: Alcohol is just as (if not far more) dangerous as cigs. It gives you cancer, causes accidents, leads to date-rape (or just rape in general),
Holy crap, what bar are you drinking at? I've been in AA (Active Alcoholics) for 10 years now, drinking at least 2 nights a week, and I've never been raped. Not even fondled. |
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by LibbyLiberty
on Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:53 am |
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You looking for volunteers? It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it!
I was just making a point about the hypocricy, my bad. It HAS happened to me . . . along with some one night stands that I otherwise would not have been okay with had I been sober.
Like I said, I have nothing against alcohol, I just think banning a drug that has far less immediate complications, yet keeping one that has been proven to have negative side effects, is just wrong in my mind. I'm not much of a drinker anymore because of my experiences with it, but that's my personal choice - like smoking in a bar or restaurant should remain my personal choice.
Not to say that I don't like to "escape" every now and then . . . but that's a different forum!
Just making the point of no one has ever been inebriated enough off a cig that would make them make bad decisions, or be the victims of, or the cause of crimes. Just comparisons here, that's all. |
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by Tom
on Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:22 pm |
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Quote: no one has ever been inebriated enough off a cig that would make them make bad decisions, or be the victims of, or the cause of crimes
Cigs actually help you make good decisions. There were times when I felt like beating people up; once I have a cigarette, those feelings go away. Also, cigs don't enhance the sex drive like alcohol does. When I see a girl I want but can't have; I have a cig, then those feelings decrease. They both are drugs, and each human being in a free country should decide for themselves how they want to use them. |
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by BWilliams
on Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:43 pm |
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I was just kidding, Libby, I understand.
I don't know about decreasing my sex drive, but cigarettes simply go with alcohol. They certainly do have a calming effect. But it's almost impossible to sit around drinking and *not* want a cigarette. I know lots of people who don't normally smoke, in fact don't even like the smell of smoke, but give 'em a few drinks, and look who's bumming butts off me.
Alcohol and nicotine is like milk and cereal, you gots to have 'em both. |
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by Jay
on Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:33 am |
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Cigs and beer go hand-in-hand like cookies and milk. I can't live without cigs and drinking, although I actually like something else for alcohol other than beer. I know when I was in college, seeing fellow students (and actual friends) in the dorms smoke up a storm while drinking their Bud Light was "normal" to see. I bet more students would've started smoking if a tobacco age of 21 existed back then. It was "bad" (but still cool) feeling for me to have a few drinks with my cigs in college, since I wasn't "supposed" to be drinking at 19 or 20. Likewise, a 21 tobacco age would make smoking a bad and cool feeling for those college smokers aged 18-20.
Back to the original topic of this thread. Since bars are adult places, adults should have the right to smoke and drink in bars. Simple as that. Nobody ever told me it's now illegal for an adult to drink OR to smoke. |
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by Atty
on Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:19 am |
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 I am suprised that the main point here, "drunk drivers" and the harm that results from them, verses smokers, hasn't been brought up. I can't kill innocent people with my cig. I assume that the lobbys for Miller, and other manufacturers are alot stronger than the lobby for smokers. I don't see the cig. manufacturers helping lobby for smokers rights. They are too busy covering their butts with the other law-suits. But if they don't step in here pretty soon, we won't be able to smoke anywhere, which will cut our consumption down, and their sales. I still think the government should tax bottled water. For 90% of the people that use it, it is a luxury, unnecessary, and a huge waste of money. How many bottles of water do you think they would sell if the price included $3.00 in tax??? [/b] |
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