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by linkup
on Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:35 pm |
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by linkup
on Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:51 pm |
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| This smoking ban crap is WAR and you smokers better stand up and fight!!Where are you? |
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by ILss
on Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:25 pm |
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| I just heard on the news that the JCARR accepted the rules and enforcement could begin as early as next week or by May 1. No clarification of the rules yet, since they briely mentioned the 2 pending lawsuits that were filed Friday. |
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by gregory
on Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:59 am |
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I like Bill Delaney's attitude. We have been silent too long !
Civil suits would cost very little to file when you are doing it "pro-se" (without an attorney).
Boiler plate for such actions to follow soon - i hope.
I am currently working on a statement or question to be asked of every city council person to address at smoking ban meetings... to se the stage for future actions.
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Since my council meeting and vote is today, any input will be appreciated. Here is what I have so far....
... In closing, with the questions surrounding the science being used for these decisions, and the many available methods for protecting everyones health except those who choose to smoke - I would like each council members statement of fact regarding your reason to institute a city wide smoking ban for private businesses, and outdoor areas. |
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by ILss
on Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:15 pm |
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by JEEP_GOD
on Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:57 pm |
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"We don't believe this reflects the will of the 2.2 million voters who voted for smoke-free workplaces last November," said Tracy Sabetta, co-chairwoman of the campaign. "
Yeah, suckbetta, I don't believe a liar like you either, making false claims about threats of violence, and trying to use the state troopers to cover your lying ass....but, they didn't cover your lying ass, did they??? Nope, you were taken to the mat and beaten like a red-headed stepchild on that, weren't you?
We will not forget it.
SABETTA IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR!!!!!!!!!! |
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by ILss
on Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:06 am |
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Just when you think this smoking ban couldn't possibly get any weirder...the ACS is sueing the state of Ohio over smoking exemptions for clubs!
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/NEWS02/70419038/-1/NEWS
Article published Thursday, April 19, 2007
Cancer Society sues state over smoking exemptions for clubs
BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU
COLUMBUS — The American Cancer Society yesterday filed a lawsuit against the Ohio Department of Health over regulations exempting some private clubs from Ohio’s new ban on smoking in indoor public places.
This marks the third court challenge to the rules, but the cancer society’s suit in Franklin County Common Pleas Court attacks from a different front. While two trade associations representing mostly bars and restaurants sued in Franklin and Hamilton counties based on the argument that the exemption gives private clubs an unfair competitive advantage, the Cancer Society argues the exemption thwarts the will of voters.
The legislative Joint Committee on Agency Rule Review chose not to interfere with rules written by the Ohio Department of Health that were designed to fill operational gaps in the law. The Smoke-Free Workplace Act officially went into effect Dec. 7, but enforcement has been on hold while rules were written.
While the law states private clubs would be exempt to the ban if, among other conditions, they have no employees, the department added a rule stating that club members are not employees in the eye of the law, even if they are paid.
“It is true that by early May, most Ohioans will finally have the smoke-free public places they voted for in November,” said Don McClure, chief executive officer of the Cancer Society in Ohio. “Unfortunately, the exemption for private clubs included in the rules will leave an entire category of workers unprotected from secondhand smoke. It will also eliminate the possibility of a truly level playing field for Ohio businesses.”
Some veterans and other groups had argued they were misled into believing private clubs would be exempt. The confusion was created by a ballot summary written by the Ohio Ballot Board that flatly stated private clubs would be exempt without mentioning the hoops they’d have to jump though to qualify. |
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by gregory
on Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:13 am |
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Again my proposal that (no one thinks is a good idea) should be legally irrefutable:
Give any employee the OPTION to wear a respirator mask.
Or, make every employee a limited partner in the business, and that is based on their acknowledgement that they are smoke tolerant or smokers themselves.
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by BWilliams
on Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:35 am |
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I don't think it's a good idea because neither is practical. A much better idea is your original one (which I've been saying on smokinglobby for years), is that we should let business owners decide whether to have a smoking allowed, or disallowed, establishment.
Then the employee question is moot because they simply don't have to apply for a job in a business which allows smoking, they can go get a job in a business where smoking is not allowed. |
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by JEEP_GOD
on Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:48 am |
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"Give any employee the OPTION to wear a respirator mask"
I do respect your tenacity, but this angle is playing right into the anti-liars hands.
First thing they'll say is, "if it's THAT dangerous, then we were right all along. "
It's just more fodder and bullshit to be used back at you. |
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