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by C716 on Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:36 am

Ladies and Gentlemen

It has been enlightening to post and read replies here. I haven�t had too much discretionary time here as of late for personal and business reasons. I won�t be posting here much to everyone�s chagrin and I am sure the board will go on with its usual rhetoric. I can�t say I will miss much of what�s being said here simply because I see many of you just grasping for the �old days� when you could smoke with impunity without regard to anyone. Fact is you know cigs are not good for you but you insist the same smoke is OK for the nonsmoker and want ME to prove it. I haven�t got the time or the patience to reprove the world is not flat.
If you folks feel that allowing children to smoke. Then do it. (You do say that it�s not harmful).
If you want to boycott a restaurant because of public wishes and damage someone�s income, hey, do it. But don�t blame the non smoker.
If you want to call people Nazis for voting in an election to do what they feel is right. Do it.
If you believe that we fought wars over the right to smoke, hey, rewrite our text books to show that.
Obviously I am being sarcastic here and I assume it will most likely piss a few off, Oh well, wont be the first or the last time in their lives.

I believe I have the right to f@rt right next to you while you dine.
I think if I want to sneeze in your direction, you have to PROVE to me that it is dangerous before I stop doing it.
I will crank my car stereo next to you at the light, and don�t you dare even give me a dirty look, because it�s MY right to listen to my music as loud as I want.
I will put earphones on your children and make THEM listen to the loud music, because I would need you to prove to me that it damages their ears.
I will call YOU a Nazi if you disagree with me in any way.
If anyone gets damaged or dies by anything I will do, I will show you statistics that they probably would have died anyway and you are just blaming me for nothing.
Second hand music can NOT be heard.
Second hand farts can NOT smell bad.
Second hand sneezes can NOT give you the cold
Second hand smoke is good.

The fact is this. Smoking IS harmful and we are all losers by the shear fact that it exists. If ever I come back on this board (which is doubtful), I will forward my Dads death certificate, and his last pack of cigarettes. Please be careful what you fight for, for it could be your life one day.

No one is running me off this board, nor have I been asked to leave. I have other things to do and while I have had a bit of fun, time to move on. Reply if you wish, you will get no reply.

And Jay, I ran this through spell check; because I know incorrect grammar is so very bad for your health. (Wink)

Smoke em up kiddies, while your lungs are still able.

C (doing the right thing) 716

C716

Toker Joined: Sep 22, 2003 Posts: 83

by Tom on Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:29 pm

Thanks for wishing us luck. I know we will need it. You just don't understand, because you never smoked. Smoking does do much good, even for the children. Teenage suicides will increase if cigarettes aren't avaiable, and these are children, but govt doesn't care about that. They'd rather have some healthy people, than care for all of its people. The thing you don't understand is that tobacco makes life bearable for some people. I know I'll be able to smoke all my life whenever I need to, but I sincerely care about the people following me that may be close to having a breakdown. Cigarettes may be the only hope for them. I pray that cigarettes will always be available to them. Whether I care or not about personally smoking in a bar or restaurant, I feel it is necessary for me to support all tobacco rights to ensure that this isn't the first step to tobacco prohibition.

Tom

Smokers Rights Activist Joined: Aug 24, 2003 Posts: 961 Location: The Kingdom of New Jersey

by Jay on Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:40 pm

As far as good luck in fighting for our smoking rights is concerned, thanks (in that sense) C. As far as good luck in living long lives is concerned, we all need good luck. After all, a nonsmoker around my age can die overnight if he/she gets hit by a bullet from a gun.

I won't miss you at all, in part because of (as Tom said) you don't smoke, and you're also close-minded if you ARE an "innocent" non-smoker. You'll believe "2nd hand smoke is bad" and "People are evil and losers for by just smoking cigs." You already hinted that the people on here are evil and losers. I may not be Colin Powell, Michael Jackson, or even a millionaire sports player like Shaq. I'm Jay, I'm an innocent African-American male, I have no criminal records, I'm a nice, smart, and sweet person as even non-smokers have told me in person, and whether I smoke or not, I'm already blessed in my life, since I am a disabled person with ceberal palsy. I'm far from being Al Capone or Bin Laden, and smoking doesn't make me evil or a loser.

The sad reality for you is smoking does not make people evil or losers. I've still been making friends, smoking has helped me meet new people since I came across a lot of female co-workers on my current job asking me for a cig. As Tom pointed out, smoking even brings moms and their teen daughters closer, as well as a son getting closer to his dad after daddy learns the son has been smoking.

We're normal people. I eat, drink non-alcoohlic stuff, pay bills (including my own phone bill, while I pay 1/2 of the others with my mother), I work just like you, I try to have fun when I'm away from work (albeit I actually work at sport games), and I even spend time socializing with my friends outside of the net. I'm just like you and the "millions of non-smokers," except I smoke cigs. And simply because I smoke cigs, you seem to be under the impression nicotine has blinded my thinking, and if I WAS smart to you, then I would quit.

Well you know what? That thinking is no different from telling me "You wouldn't do good as a cashier because you're black, and you won't ever live a good life as a black person." People shouldn't judge me simply because of my skin color, and anti-smoking freaks like you shouldn't judge me only because I'm smoke and I'm d@#n proud of it. If anyone has a problem with me being black and/or being a smoker, they can kiss my you know what. I smoke, it's MY choice, MY life, and MY money! Save the "You waste money by smoking, don't make me smoke with the 2nd hand smoke sH!+, I don't like smelling smoke in my food, and where's the rest of you guys on here?" lecture for a little boy who doesn't have an open mind.

I don't have a problem with you not smoking. I DO have a f'ing problem with you forcing your beliefs on us. That's like a little boy trying to convince mommy "I can drive maturely!" when mommy knows good and well the boy is too young to drive. Likewise, you have proven that your conduct on here overshadows the rare good points you have made. You can't convince me inhaling 2nd hand smoke is the same as smoking myself. Where's YOUR lung cancer? If you can't stand smelling smoke in food, don't go eat there. Even a HS freshman can understand that. Complaining about it isn't going to do anything other than make you look bad (and make you look like a liar with you calling yourself a non-smoker)

You don't like us wasting money on cigs? Well, you better not be wasting YOUR money on buying fast food for yourself and/or your daughter. You better not be wasting YOUR money on junk food for her. And Lord knows I hope you don't gamble or play the lottery. If there are things you like in your life that you're willing to sacrifice money for, then you can ZIP it, Mr. Hypocrite. You can't tell us how we're wasting money on cigs when you'll turn around and waste you own money on things you like. That's hypocritical.

Have a nice life, and I hope you'll see the truth on smoking one day. If you don't want to see the truth (and just listen to what others tell you on smoking) then you better pray I never become a US President, at least in your lifetime. If I was President, I'd put the heavy taxes on alcohol and fast food. Since there are more alcoholics/fast food eaters than smokers, common sense should tell the govt. to tax the majority instead of the minority.

I'd even bring back the old days of smoking myself by making ANY smoking ban indoors illlegal. Any business in a city or state will have to pay me 1 billion bucks PER YEAR if they insist on having a smoking ban. I'd even cut the cig prices down dramatically. If a place wants to have a smoke-free area, they have the right to do that. As long as they provide a smoking area too. Smokers and non-smokers are all equal people, and it's idiots like you who don't see that!

Since alcohol is more dangerous than smoking, I'd make a 6-pack of beer 20 bucks while I'd make a cig carton only 5-8 bucks. The product that kills more deserves to be a lot more than only 5 bucks for a 6-pack of beer.

Did I give you goose bumps? LOL Well I don't care if you read this or not. I'm just making it clear you might run into me again one day, and hopefully, it won't happen in person.

>>>Please be careful what you fight for, for it could be your life one day.

Oh please! Are you supposed to be my dad, or are you blinded by the fact we all can die at any given time? You oughta tune in to America's Most Wanted if you want to hear about innocent non-smokers losing their lives not because of "2nd hand smoke," but because of a gun or knife. As they would say in the world of sports, "The fans boo at the singer, and tell him to leave the ballpark."

I'm always going to fight for smoking, whether I'm 25, 50, or even 75 and still living and smoking at those ages.

Jay

Enthusiastic Smoker Joined: Jun 10, 2003 Posts: 504 Location: Chicago

by nc_peaches on Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:39 pm

You shouldn't worry so much about second hand smole as you should other, more important things. For example: drive-by shootings, aids, the crazy driver next to you on the interstate, the faulty engine on the plane you just boarded, natural disasters, etc... All of these things could kill you in an instant, so why are you so worried about 30-50 years from now. Live your life as you want to live it, and let the smokers of the world do the same. Think about it which is worse, the thousands of gas fumes that you send up into the air every morning when you go out to crank up your car to head off to work, return home or just decide to go joy riding, or the 10 cigarettes I smoke in a whole days time? So, the next time that the goverment decides to ban some simple little pleasure, like your vechile use for instance, think about the simple pleasures that smokers have and what people like you are trying to take away. Surprised

nc_peaches Newbie

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by BWilliams on Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:47 pm

nc_peaches wrote:

So, the next time that the goverment decides to ban some simple little pleasure, like your vechile use for instance, think about the simple pleasures that smokers have and what people like you are trying to take away. Surprised

Truer words never spoken, peaches! I think the anti's are beginning to lose the race, anyway, since some cites (like New York) are considering ammending or repealing the ban on smoking.

BWilliams

Site Owner Joined: Jun 05, 2003 Posts: 1084 Location: New York City

by Rick on Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:51 pm

Hey everyone,

I'll say it again: The smokers of the world are not going away, as the anti's would have you believe Smile

Bill, I hope that NYC does repeal the law, because at current, NY is a place I'd like to visit, but won't because the whole city is not smoker friendly as far as establishments go (can you even smoke in your hotel room??)

Rick

Smoker Joined: Jun 09, 2003 Posts: 124

by Tom on Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:44 am

I hope New York changes that law. I use to love New York, but now it's bad. I use to go to the Strip places,clubs, and restaurants throughout New York State. Now it just doesn't appeal to me anymore. I stay in NJ now; sometimes I'll go to a museum or a show in NY, but after, I eat/and or celebrate across the river in NJ. I'd have to say that NJ does have better clubs and strip places now. They're always crowded, and strip places have really good looking women now in NJ. I hope and pray that the state of New York will change. Maybe the city will lead Albany in its decision as it did with the ban. The city has a long history of freedom, and it breaks my heart to see it like this.

Tom

Smokers Rights Activist Joined: Aug 24, 2003 Posts: 961 Location: The Kingdom of New Jersey

by BWilliams on Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:09 pm

LOL - Tom, I never thought NJ's tourism trade would hinge on stripping, but there you have it. (Actually, they do have lots of handsome, buxom beauties, everywhere except for the clubs in Paterson. NEVER go there).

But Rick,
You CAN ALWAYS smoke in your hotel room - who's looking?!? I never heard of them smelling smoke after you checked out and billing you extra Smile

BWilliams

Site Owner Joined: Jun 05, 2003 Posts: 1084 Location: New York City

by OldRick on Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:30 pm

I've been a smoker, on and off, since I was 14. Pretty steady since I was 24...that's when I started my career in a very stressful profession. My Newports always came through when I needed them to.

I reasoned that the health effects wouldn't matter, as I was always a 1/2 pack a day, or less, smoker. Alas, of late, I have has extreme difficulty breathing, and am suffering general anxiety from lack of oxygen. I am only 42 years old.

I likely brought it on myself...I liked to take huge drags, and feel that smoke go down...it cannot have helped. Now, I cannot fill my lungs with air, and a dirty tatste covers my teeth. My doctor is baffled.

A cautionary tale for you all...I was careless, and I am paying.

Rolling Eyes

Rick

OldRick

Newbie Joined: Jan 12, 2005 Posts: 1

by patdaly on Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:55 am

Jay, powerful post man. I wish I had half that talent.

Old Rick, nice post man, assuming you ARENT a plant, get to another doctor. I am not saying it cant be from the smoking, but let me give you a rundown of what happened to my mom. March of 97, she started to get shortness of breath, went to a "specialist" He said, evil smoker, you are going to die, now you have COPD, heres O2, quit smoking and you may live a few years. I asked the man just how the hell a person healthy for all those years develops COPD in less than a month.......he looks suspiciously at me ( must have figured I was a heathen also) and says, COPD, thats what she has. We fast forward to mid Aug. she starts getting screaming headaches, finally we get her down to IU Medical center ( Indy ) There, the true diagnosis is obtained, a brain tumor, a really, really nasty one at that. Went through a craniotomy(sp?), but it was too late for total sucess. She made it to Jan of 98. Now, could she have been saved, had the Dr. not had his pre-biased views? That we will never know, but what we do know is, smoking doesnt cause brain tumors, and the rich O2 mixture she was fed by this hack sure did not stunt the growth of the tumor.
Oh yea, forgot one thing, after they cut the tumor out, she suddenly had no problem breathing, imagine that.

patdaly

Enthusiastic Smoker Joined: Jan 02, 2005 Posts: 201 Location: Streator Illinois

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